Caravaggio Vindicated!?!?

Posted by Thraxxus on Feb 26th, 2010 and filed under Science and Tech. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. You can leave a response or trackback to this entry from your site

Apparently a tiny iceberg the size of Luxembourg broke off a glacier and fell into the ocean. The wee iceberg is only 965 square miles. Best part? It is already altering some ocean currents. Realize what that means. Cue Jeopardy music. Yes! OCEAN CURRENT IS BEING AFFECTED – and where one current is affected so are those that it affects normally. How did this happen? Apparently yet another giant iceberg hit the glacier and caused it to shatter off this little guy. So now there are two giant icebergs floating about causing havoc to our oceans. No big deal.

None of this is good news.

10 Responses for “Caravaggio Vindicated!?!?”

  1. scanjack says:

    Cabon Tax, Carbon Tax!!! Yea team!!! Now they can point to something new to push through the Cap and Trade Climate bullshit so the “Blood and Gore” company can reap their profits, while you are being told you are bad if you don’t eat your garbage. Look that one up BTW.

    Sigh

  2. caravaggio says:

    I feel this latest study both reinforces the position of climate science (albeit still in an embryonic state as a science… read: new) and offers us an opportunity to rethink the premise of “no debate” proposed by some Capitol Hill Leaders. The option of “no debate” is one of suicide. Again, regardless of cause – the effect of climate change will kill us. Let us agree that ongoing change is taking place then let us (as a planet) focus on remediation with all theories open for examination – human-caused, natural cycles, alien-caused, Mayan-calendar forecasted, Sub-prime Lenders are at fault, etc, etc.

    In order to keep everyone thinking in the right frame of mind… at night simply look to your southeast at that little red planet called Mars. This is evidence of the carbon-cycle gone mad. And that planet, at one time, had icebergs breaking off of glaciers from climate change.

    (And thank you to Thraxxus for his “equality in reporting/posting” Ethos)

  3. scanjack says:

    Are we, as the human species, screwing up the planet? Yes. Is climate change science being handled as science should be handled? No. This is where I have a big problem with the “Green Movement”, and deciding upon an enforced individual “Carbon Footprint” allotment.

    United Nations – No thanks. Your rights come from Government. They are numbered. They can be taken away.

    United States Constitutional Republic – Yes, please. Your rights come from the creator. They are non-enumerable. They cannot be taken away, they are unalienable.

    Green World Order – http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/022510_greeneconomy.pdf

    It’s working out for Spain, right? – http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2009385016_will26.html

    I don’t have the answers, I am no better than anyone else. What I do know is that when I hear “Sustainable development” I think “Agenda 21″ – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJp0P6eggXU

    Just another useless feeder as Ted Turner has put it. I hear Margaret Sanger is to receive an award from the Smithsonian – awesome. Fits right in with Barry the War President Peace Prize winner; 1/3 of all deaths in Afghanistan, since our invasion, have occurred since our current puppet’s time in office.

    :)

  4. caravaggio says:

    I’m not versed in the “Green movement” outside of common sources of mass-produced information. And come to think about it, this serves as a good example of a hypothesis that I’m developing about the source for such obvious discontent held by many (including blood relatives of my own).

    I believe (it is only a belief) that people have thoroughly tried, judged, and convicted the Climate Sciences through wrongly identifying it as being the same as the “Green Movement”. And this is where conspiracy theories and ideologies expounding upon accusations of collusion run rampant (sans a small handful of very stupid climate scientists over the past year). The theory of the carbon cycle is no less valid than the Germ theory. It is a proven entity. Do Liberals, Independents, Conservatives, and now Tea-party people get sick? Yes. And these same people are expediting the carbon cycle through lifestyles that leverage internal combustion technologies for energy. Now if this carbon theory is being leveraged by a people with duplicitous aims… that is something completely different than discrediting the Science behind the Movement. The Movement chose the Science and not the other way around.

    Another point being utilized can be categorized as a focus on the “now” at the expense of an understanding of the future. Yes, I believe any legislation dealing with the economy and the climate should be based on solid evidence. No, I’m not willing to “live like an Indian in a Teepee” as a popular conservative broadcaster said while condeming the Movement at the expense of the Science.

    Regardless of Ideology, the systems underlying homostasis within our fragile ecosystem and the enveloping environment that contains it are under stress.

    Either we deal with this now… or our resistance will equate to history’s worst case of human selfishness when considering one’s children and one’s children’s children.

    To be free, by the assumed definition, one has to be alive to express and enjoy said freedom. Dead people are not free. We (America) are currently making choices counter to this definition for future generations of Americans (please refer to the Mars example in an earlier post). And by this paradigm, are we not promoting the opposite of freedom upon those without a voice?

  5. scanjack says:

    As usual very well put. We do need to act now. However, every government has lost credibility and I have zero confidence in any of those with the power to help us all act to make changes in how we use our finite resources. Oil is the currency of the world, make no mistake this is not conspiracy theory.

    I grow more apathetic on a daily basis. Our childrens children’s future has already been sold into the tax debt slavery.

  6. BayAreaDM says:

    To me, here’s the bottom-line: there is BIG money on both sides. BIG MONEY. When you talk about Gore making money off the issue, that is small change compared to what Big Business will save by not considering the repercussions of their actions. As Bill Nye said, this is not a Liberal or Conservative issue, yet it is being spun that way. That does not progress the discussion at all. “Scientists are trying to steal your jobs and cripple the economy!” That is bullshit. When you put the “Green Movement” in quotes, you trivialize it. When you bring up Barack’s peace prize as a response to his environmental policies, you come off as blindly partisan.

    Breaking news: there is always going to be money involved on both sides of any issue. That is the good and bad about Capitalism. I would rather be on the side that increases the chances that my kids and grandkids aren’t dodging twisters daily on their raft home in WaterWorld, U.S.A.

    “Regardless of Ideology, the systems underlying homostasis within our fragile ecosystem and the enveloping environment that contains it are under stress.” is a statement I think we can agree on.

  7. Thraxxus says:

    The bottomer line: Once again the greedy are taking a serious issue and turning it into a money making/control oriented venture. As I have always said – if you really want to solve a problem you can. These people do not – they want to make money.

  8. scanjack says:

    The “Green Movement” is trivial in it’s current mainstream incarnation. IMHO of course.

    Blindly partisan? Move past the Left/Right paradigm and realize the labels are just boxes to put the cattle into. Have the policies really changed with a Republican or a Democrat in control? No they have not. The U.S. is still engaged in mindless conflicts around the world, and we have no business being there.

    We live under the third central bank to exist in the U.S. since it’s conception. I don’t think this one will be taken down as the other two were, and I agree with the paraphrased statement “… a central bank issuing currency is a greater threat to our nation than a standing army.”

    Unless we address, and deal with who is actually running things, it will be nigh impossible to accomplish anything which will stand the test of time.

  9. BayAreaDM says:

    This is not a partisan issue – that is my only point. Just because someone is D, R, liberal, or conservative does not make them wrong or right on this issue. Unless I unsuccessfully read between the lines, the subject of this particular post has nothing to do with the Fed, pointless wars, or anything else. Are our actions fucking up the world and upsetting the natural balance? YES. Does the future look bleak unless we make changes in our behavior? YES. Do TV pundits laughing about how an extreme snowstorm disproves global warming make them looks stupid? YES. If you are completely disregarding discussion merely because of some of the people involved, well I guess that’s your choice.

  10. caravaggio says:

    When I look at my kids, I truly want to believe that we (the Human race) will be able to unite and strive towards a common goal related to solving the problems that endanger our lifestyles and even our very existence.

    Intellectually I feel this maybe too much to ask of our strict neocortex hardwiring. We evolved to interpret impending dangers on a compressed temporal scale… threats that come at us in a split second. The pace of global climate change remains outside of the range of our perception. Once we add elements of serial catastrophy, such as; 9/11, Dot-bomb, the “Great Panic”, Two baseless Wars, Unprecedented Debt, Growing Pandemic and/or Vaccine Fears, shifting powerbase from west to east, etc., etc. – we’ve now set the stage to logically devalue the priority that the impending environmental collapse should hold with us.

    We’ve given up the ability to rationalize a proper defense when everything we hear about requires some type of rational defense.

    When I look at my kids I’m struck by their true innocence. They’ve no way to interpret what is in store for them in their futures. Unfortunately, I coming to believe that I’ll be the last in a long line of Fathers to be able to look upon his kids within a relatively safe home in a relatively peaceful neighborhood with adequate clean water and plentiful food.

    To say my next thought pertains to a painful feeling of guilt and shame is a true understatement.

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